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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, CALIFORNIA
March 25, 1986
The regular meeting of the City Council of the City of National City was called to
order at 7:00 p.m. by Mayor Morgan.
ROLL CALL
Council members present: Cooper, Dalla, VanDeventer, Waters, Morgan. Absent:
None. Administrative officials present: Bolint, Campbell, Eiser, Mc Cabe, Post,
Stafford.
SALUTE TO THE FLAG AND INVOCATION
The meeting was opened with salute to the flag led by City Manager Mc Cabe,
followed with invocation by the Reverend Wayne Rowland, First Congregational
Church.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of the regular meetings of March 11 and March 18, 1986 and the adjourned
meeting of March 4, held March 5, 1986. Moved by Waters, seconded by Cooper, so
moved. Moved by Waters, seconded by VanDeventer, make an amendment to the
motion that we hold over the March 18 minutes. Carried, by the following vote, to —
wit: Ayes: Cooper, VanDeventer, Waters, Morgan. Nays Dalla.
PUBLIC ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
MR. & MRS. RUDOLFO GOMEZ, 3102 Biggs, present re their concrete deck which
was built without benefit of permits and which the Building Dir. says must be
certified by a structural engineer or removed. Dir. Bldg. & Safety was present and
said a permit is required; all he can do is enforce the code; his department found
them repairing the deck without permits and put a stop work on the project until
they submitted plans. Moved by Waters, seconded by Morgan, this be laid over for
one week and the City Manager put it back on the agenda for next week. Carried
by unanimous vote.
LUCY FLORES, Brick Row, present to request turn signal be added to traffic
signal at Plaza and National because of high incidence of accidents. Moved by
Morgan, seconded by VanDeventer, we refer this item in front of Brick Row to the
Traffic Safety Committee for study. Carried by unanimous vote.
On Mayor Morgants request, items 12 and 13 were brought to the floor. Item 12.
Request from National School District for an amendment to City Ordinance 1622
(school fees) and Item 13. Request from Sweetwater Union High School District
for implementation of a developer fee program. Plan. Dir. Post recommended the
necessary materials received from both districts be filed in the City Clerk's office
for a 60 day period and set for public hearing after that time. Moved by
VanDeventer, seconded by Cooper, so moved. Carried by unanimous vote. Moved
by Morgan, seconded by VanDeventer, we recognize that we received this today.
(Proposal from SUHSD relating to Redevelopment Laws) Carried by unanimous
vote.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Public Hearing — Proposed vacation of Grove Way between the 1700 block of Grove
Street and Sweetwater Road; and abandonment of a 15—foot wide drainage easement
located adjacent to and abutting the westerly end of Grove Way, SC-4-85,
Applicant: Community Development Com mission. Plan. Com m. and staff
recommend vacation based on finding it is in conformity with General Plan and is
not needed for present or prospective public use. Moved by VanDeventer, seconded
by Cooper, this public hearing be closed and all stipulations adhered to as staff
recommends. Carried by unanimous vote.
ADOPTION OF RESOLUTIONS
Consent Resolutions (Nos. 14,888 thru 14,894)
Moved by Van Deventer, seconded by Cooper, the Resolutions be accepted by title
only. Carried by unanimous vote. Moved by VanDeventer, seconded by Waters, for
approval of the Consent agenda except 14,888, 14,893 and 14,894. Carried by
unanimous vote.
Resolution No. 14,889, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING CONVEYANCE OF A GRANT
DEED FOR STREET PURPOSES AND NAMING AND DEDICATING "E" AVENUE
(Diocese of San Diego Education and Welfare Corporation, a corporation)." See
above.
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Resolution No. 14,890, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING CONVEYANCE OF A GRANT
DEED FOR STREET PURPOSES AND NAMING AND DEDICATING A PORTION OF
7TH STREET AND "E" AVENUE (the Roman Catholic Bishop of San Diego, a
corporation sole)." See above.
Resolution No. 14,891, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING CONVEYANCE OF A GRANT
DEED FOR STREET PURPOSES AND NAMING AND DEDICATING 7TH STREET
(The Roman Catholic Bishop of San Diego, a corporation sole)." See above.
Resolution No. 14,892, "RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE
CITY CLERK TO ATTEST TO A QUIT CLAIM DEED." See above.
Resolution No. 14,888, "RESOLUTION APPROVING FUND TRANSFER FOR LAS
PALM AS — PUMP AND MOTOR REPLACEMENT AND FOR RELATED AE
SERVICES." Moved by Morgan, seconded by Cooper, we adopt 14,888. Carried by
unanimous vote.
Resolution No. 14,893, "RESOLUTION — AGREEMENT FOR VEHICLE USE BETWEEN
CITY AND "MILE OF CARS" MEMBER AGENCIES." Moved by VanDeventer,
seconded by Cooper, in favor of their agreement if the City Attorney feels it's
adequate, either one he feels he can agree to. Carried by unanimous vote.
Resolution No. 14,894, "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF NATIONAL CITY ESTABLISHING THE FORMAT FOR THE MINUTES OF CITY
COUNCIL MEETINGS." Moved by Dalla, seconded by VanDeventer, in favor of
Resolution No. 14,894. Carried, by the following vote, to —wit: Ayes: Cooper,
Dalla, VanDeventer, Waters. Nays: Morgan.
NEW BUSINESS
WARRANT REGISTER #38 Ratification of Demands in the amount of $108,663.06
Moved by Waters, seconded by VanDeventer, in favor. Carried, by the following
vote, to —wit (with exception of Warrant /91444 with VanDeventer abstaining):
Ayes: Cooper, Dalla, VanDeventer, Waters. Nays: Morgan.
Application of MOTOKO & TAKENDO ARII, dba YAKISOBA WEST, at 1528—C
Sweetwater Road, for original Type 41 liquor license authorizing the sale of beer
and wine for consumption on a bona fide public eating place type premises plus the
sale of beer and wine for consumption off the premises. Police Dept. recommends
protest unless 7 conditions met. Plan. Dept. recommends protest until applicant
obtains CUP. Moved by Waters, seconded by VanDeventer, we protest these license
as recommended by staff. Carried, by the following vote, to —wit: Ayes: Cooper,
Dalla, VanDeventer, Waters. Nays: None. Abstaining: Morgan.
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
Request from DAVE REED AND ASSOCIATES re possible purchase of city —owned
property. Moved by VanDeventer, seconded by Cooper, he would refer this to the
Real Estate Committee for discussion with staff to make a report and also at the
same time, he would like to know what is happening from the staff on the other
three he brought up before: Sheryl Lane, the alley off of 18th Street and 21 st and
Hoover. (Mayor Morgan abstaining because of conflict of interest.) Carried, by
the following vote, to —wit: Ayes: Cooper, Dalla, VanDeventer, Waters. Nays:
None. Abstaining: Mor
g
an.
Request from National School District for an amendment to City Ordinance 1622
(school fees). See above.
Request from Sweetwater Union High School District for implementation of a
developer fee program. See above.
OTHER BUSINESS
Planning Commission Resolution No. 9-86, approving an application for planned
develpment permit to allow development of three single family dwellings on a
16,000 square foot lot at 901-903 East 18th Street, Case File No. PD-1-86,
Applicant: Dennis Lazzaro. Moved by Cooper, seconded by VanDeventer, in favor
of the Planning Com mission's recommendation and all their stipulations. (Mayor
Morgan abstaining because of possible conflict of interest.) Carried, by the
following vote, to —wit: Ayes: Cooper, Dalla, VanDeventer, Waters. Nays: None.
Abstaining: Morgan.
Planning Commission. Resolution No. 10-86 approving planned development permit
for construction of a 25,510 sq. ft. commercial building and remodeling of a service
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station at the Southwest corner of Eighth Street and Plaza Boulevard, PD-3-85,
Applicant: Danilo Tulagan. Moved by Waters, seconded by VanDeventer, in favor.
Carried by unanimous vote.
Request for Council policy guidance on Mayor's directive regarding withholding
items for Council action. Moved by Dalla, seconded by Waters, the City Manager
disregard any instruction from anyone to hold anything from the agenda. Carried,
by the following vote, to —wit: Ayes: Cooper, Dalla, VanDeventer, Waters. Nays:
Morgan.
Report and recom mendation of the Mile of Cars Com mittee to the City Council of
the City of National City. Moved by Dalla, seconded by Waters, this item be filed
and no action taken. Moved by Cooper, seconded by VanDeventer, to amend the
motion to extend this until budget time and see what monies we have. Amendment
carried, by the following vote, to —wit: Ayes: Cooper, Van Deventer, Waters,
Morgan. Nays: Dalla.
Extension of 50/50 alley program to include CA and CH zones. Moved by Morgan,
seconded by Waters, we file this communication. Carried by unanimous vote.
Update on Municipal Liability Insurance Coverage (Captive Insurance Program).
City Manager McCabe recommended Council act on this tonight to avoid a lapse
in insurance; this will increase our self —insured retention from $50,000 to $150,000,
and Increase our premium by 95%; the premium for the coming year would be
$374,576; we currently have $209,000 budgeted and a resolution next week will
appropriate $165,000; the necessary papers would be signed and insurance would be
in effect Monday. Moved by Morgan, seconded by VanDeventer, the Manager's
recommendation be approved. Carried by unanimous vote.
CITY MANAGER — No report
CITY ATTORNEY
The City Attorney's memo regarding RESTRICTIONS on SALE OF ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGES.
City Attorney Eiser: "I have a written report that appears as Item 19; I can answer
any questions that may arise from that."
Councilman Waters: "I think you got a, you've done a beautiful job on that, Mr.
Eiser. You've found us a way, uh, and Mike mentioned a little earlier about, you
found us a way to uh keep this liquor and beer and stuff from being walked off
the premises, and uh, that's something that hasn't been done in years, and I'm
starting to like you. You know you're doing a pretty darn good job."
Councilman Dalla: "Uh, I would like to uh—I like you too Mr. Eiser—uh, I would
just like to make sure that in the future the applications, the Conditional Use
Permits that we have relating to the establishments that this would apply to
include that provision, just like we have no counters and those kinds of things, that
this be an automatic condition of those uh establishments unless there's some
reason why you don't think it would work."
Planning Director Post: (Voice can be heard but his words cannot be understood.)
Councilman Dalla: "Thank you."
City Attorney Eiser: "Your Honor, I had an additional item, uh, at last week's
Council meeting, uh, we had placed an item uh on the agenda regarding the hot
trucks, an updated report, and it was the desire of the Council at that time to uh
maintain the status quo uh as far as continuing the prohibition of operation of hot
trucks. The original Ordinance that was adopted was a moratorium Ordinance, and
I would propose in order to uh continue the Ordinance on an indefinite basis, uh
that an Urgency Ordinance be adopted this evening. Um, first of all, I uh, it
would be appropriate to entertain a motion that the Ordinance be read by title
only."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "So move".
Councilman Cooper: "Second."
Councilman Waters: "What's the number of that Ordinance?"
City Attorney Eiser: "I, uh, it doesn't have a number at this point; 1 can read the
title and uh it will be essentially the same Ordinance uh as the original Ordinance
adopted on December the 10th. Uh, it would be an Urgency Ordinance and uh
after reading the title, if you'd bear with me, I will read the reasons uh supporting
the urgency basis of the Ordinance."
Mayor Morgan: "Did you second the motion?"
Councilman Cooper: "Yes, we need to vote on that by title only."
Mayor Morgan: "Vote please."
Councilman Cooper: "Okay."
Carried by unanimous vote.
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City Attorney Eiser: "The title is uh 'An Urgency Ordinance of the City of
National City repealing Ordinance No.,' excuse me, 'An Urgency Ordinance of the
City of National City repealing Ordinance No. 1870 amending Chapter 9.04 and
adding Chapter 9.06 to the National City Municipal Code to prohibit the sales of
food or beverages from mobile food preparation units within the City. Uh, the
basis of the urgency uh, they're itemized uh A through K. A is that there is a
danger to drivers and patrons of mobile food preparation units due to the existence
of cooking facilities on those units, including gas —operated cooking facil...cooking
devices. B, there is a danger of explosion from cooking facilities existing on those
units. C, there is a danger of fire from hot grease and propane gas on the units.
D, there is a hazard presented where cooking is done while the units are in motion.
E, there is a danger from the units being driven at a high rate of speed from
location to location. F, there is a danger arising from the spilling of hot liquids
while the units are in motion. G, there is a health hazard presented by the
potential for sales of spoiled food, if the food preparation or preservation devices
on the units malfunction, or if the food storage is improper. H, there is a threat
to the safety of drivers of the units and to the public from the likelihood of
accidents occurring on public streets. I, there is a health hazard presented by the
storage of waste on the units and by disposal of waste produced on the units. J,
there is a problem in providing adequate staff to inspect and regulate the units,
and K, due to the size of the units, they would contribute to traffic congestion
within the City."
Mayor Morgan: "Can we have a motion to adopt this?"
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "So move."
Councilman Waters: "I move in favor."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "Second."
Mayor Morgan: "Discussion? Vote please."
Carried by the following vote, to —wit: Ayes: Cooper, VanDeventer, Waters,
Morgan. Nays: Dalla.
OTHER STAFF
The City Engineer's memo re SOUND WALL GATES — EUCLID AVENUE PROJECT
The City Engineer recommended that If it is determined that they are to be
constructed, the City pay the entire cost to minimize problems that may develop
should parking be prohibited on Euclid Ave. at some future date.
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "I'd, I'd move in favor of allocating the $22,500 and put
all 12 gates cut down."
Councilman Waters: "I'll second that."
Mayor Morgan: "Discussion?"
Councilman Cooper: "To put in the gates?"
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "Yes."
Councilman Waters: "Sure. I told you it would be back. They don't want to do
it. Hey, that's helping the public out."
Councilman Cooper: "I know it's helping the public."
Mayor Morgan: "Uh, Mr. Engineer, is that the feeling you got that they wanted to
go ahead with that uh, the gates and things there?"
City Engineer Stafford: "Out of, out of 24 theoretical possibilities to have gates,
and we mailed them to all the property owners, 12 responded indicating that they
wanted gates. Nobody has responded saying that they want to pay for the gates."
(Laughter.)
Councilman Cooper: "Mr. Mayor..."
City Engineer Stafford: "My recommendation is that we do not put them in, but if
we do, that the City foot the whole bill."
Councilman Cooper: "Let me ask you a question, Mr. Engineer. Uh, are you
finished, Mr. Mayor?"
Mayor Morgan: "Yeah."
Councilman Cooper: "When uh, when we, if we put these gates in, which the
motion is on the floor right now that we furnish the money to put the gates in for
the people because people don't want to pay for them. What's going to happen
down the line, five years from now, if we have to come in and red —curb the sides
of Euclid Ave. Then what, where are we going to stand then?"
City Engineer Stafford: "The people that..."
Councilman Cooper: "The gates are gonna be useless to the people, aren't they?"
City Engineer Stafford: "That's true. However, uh, they will have signed a
covenant indicating that they will not protest the red —curbing and, and the
prohibition of parking."
Mayor Morgan: "Well what good is a fence, what good are those gates if you're
gonna red —curb that?"
Councilman Cooper: "I'm saying there's a possibility down the road, if the traffic
increases, we might have to. We don't intend to now."
Mayor Morgan: "Well if we do, if we do then the gates are not worth anything."
Councilman Cooper: "Right."
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Councilman Waters: "No, everyone has a gate to their backyard. You know that.
That's what it is, in the backyard, and they'll walk out on the sidewalk, go for a
walk in the evening, and they might even go down to one of those restaurants on
Plaza Blvd."
City Engineer Stafford: "If there's, if there's one sentiment 1 have heard, it's that
the maintaining the parking capability is more important to them than having the
gates —if they had to make a choice."
Councilman Waters: "There's a safety factor involved too. If you put a 6—foot
wall out there and can't get out the back."
Mayor Morgan: "Is the $22,000 set that curb back say 4' there where we'd be sure
to keep them parking there, and that would be more beneficial than those gates
because when they put the gates on there, and they've got that noise that will
come right off through the gates. We're gonna have a real problem with those
people."
City Engineer Stafford: "I think uh without having the wall penetrations, it would
be more soundproof."
Mayor Morgan: "That's right."
Councilman Cooper: "That's why the State and uh made us put it in to begin with
was soundproofing, isn't that right?"
City Engineer Stafford: "That's true. I'd like to point out something that's pretty
obvious when you look at the subdivision map, and that that is really an anomily;
that's a geographical freak to have a subdivision designed that way where the
backyards come onto a major arterial. Ordinarily, those backyards would be
adjacent to other backyards where there would be no gates."
Vice Mayor Van Deventer: "But that whole project is that way."
City Engineer Stafford: "So that whole project is that way. Uh, you had, I
believe, had Euclid Ave. been open at the time that they built the subdivision,
there would have never been any thought of putting gates in there. I believe the
gates were simply bootlegged in after the project was built."
Mayor Morgan: "If we could --could $22,000—would that set that curb back 4'?
Because we've got 10' or more that's paved there, and taking 4' or 5' off of that
wouldn't hurt it a bit. We could just cut a line and then just set the curb back
and then pave that part of the street. And then they would permanently have
paving, or parking back there."
City Engineer Stafford: "No, the $22,000 would not accomplish that."
Vice Mayor Van Deventer: "The thing that you have to take into consideration too
is the situation. We approved that project out there, with not adequate parking as
a total project. Those only place those people have to park is up in that backyard.
That is the reason they cam e here and brought a list of residents in that area why
they wanted for it. We have to make some commitment when we're gonna red —
curb that out there in the back that they can park their car somewhere. And
every one of them has two cars. There isn't adequate parking in that project."
Councilman Cooper: "Mr. Van Deventer, I have no problem with parking on Euclid
Ave. The only problem I have is you're spending $23,000, $24,000 of the taxpayers'
money to put in gates and those people have said they don't really want the gates.
They don't want to pay for them. To me, if they wanted a gate, they would be
willing to pay for half of it. They don't even want to do that. We offered a
50/50 program for them. They're willing to have the gates if we furnish the gates
and put them in for them. And I can't support that."
Councilman Waters: "Well, uh, I think what we have to give the people the benefit
of the doubt on, Coop, is the fact that they didn't want Euclid coming through
either. They didn't like our idea there and we're kinda forcing that street through
there. So when you force it through, combine that with the fact that years ago uh
certain members up here I'm sure let that type of development slip through, and
it's there now and they have to live with it, so we have a responsibility today. We
have to take care of the errors of maybe of people who made those errors years
ago. We have to kinds consult the people and help them out a little bit and 1
think this is the only way we can help them. They don't need gates. They don't
even need the wall they said that we want to put up, the 6' wall, and they don't
need Euclid Ave. through. So we're saying you're gonna get it anyway, so 1 think
this is a sm all concession."
Mayor Morgan: "Euclid Ave. is through behind all of those properties now, so they
knew there was a street there. But how m uch would it cost to put in, where
they'd be sure that they'd have parking back there? Now those people are going to
be in trouble if we go ahead without saying that we're gonna keep parking back
there for those people. Now they'll be down here and really tell us then if we
eliminate that parking. I'm not for eliminating the parking. I'd go along and
eliminate the gates, but I'd sure want some parking back there because that's the
only place. They've only got one car for each one of those places up there and
they rely on that out there. And if they don't get that, those people are going to
be mad and they should be mad."
Councilman Dalla: "But you see, Mayor, the problem I see is the parking doesn't
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do them any good if they don't have access to it, and without
parking might as well be four blocks over. Uh, I want to clarify
the motion —would you repeat the motion please, as you have it?"
"I have no idea what the motion is."
VanDeventer: "The motion was to approve
Waters: "And I seconded that."
Dalla: "So that's —that's —we're gonna put the gates
indicated they wanted them, and the rest of the people
that's tough? Okay..."
Mayor Morgan: "Further discussion on the motion?"
Councilman Dalla: "Yes, I was going to..."
Councilman Cooper: "Wait a minute, that's all of them
Isn't that all the number that is needed along there is 12?"
City Engineer Stafford: "No sir, the people that responded. Now mailed,
certified mail, to everybody. I cannot predict what the response will be from the
people who did not respond and then see that other people are getting their gates."
Councilman Cooper: "It's gonna be a good thing..."
City Engineer Stafford: "Well, we mailed it out registered. We received certified
receipts, and these are the people that signed the document stating
wanted the gate and would agree to..."
Councilman Cooper: "What's gonna happen when
people see, well the City's giving these gates to
them. Then what's gonna happen?"
City Engineer Stafford: "Oh no, the..."
Councilman Cooper: "They're gonna be right back
another $30,000 putting the rest of those gates in."
City Engineer Stafford: "No the same correspondence went to everybody."
Councilman Cooper: "I know that. The same correspondence went to
City Clerk:
Vice Mayor
Council man
Councilman
that
Engineer, but the ones that responded to us said that they were
They said they did not want to pay for them, right?"
City Engineer Stafford: "That's right."
Councilman Cooper: "The others did not respond,
this, you can bet your sweet boots on that."
Mayor Morgan: "The rest of them, you'll get it."
Councilman Cooper: "You bet. They'll all be in
Mayor Morgan: "This is the thing..."
Councilman Waters: "Let me ask a question
Which ones were eliminated? How many?"
City Engineer Stafford: "Well, there was a theoretical possibility of having
gates there; there's 24 units. The ones on either end did not want gates. We
receive..."
Councilman Waters: "Oh, some did not want gates?"
City Engineer Stafford: "Simply because they were
need the gates. They didn't have to walk..."
Councilman Waters: "So that brings it down
City Engineer Stafford: "No."
Councilman Waters: "Okay."
City Engineer Stafford: "So take away those few, you still had 19 that would
apparently benefit from the gates. Out of that 19, 12 responded positively to the
question do you want the gate, will you be willing to hold the City harmless, uh
will you maintain the gate, and will you not gripe about losing
day."
Councilman Waters: "They agreed?"
City Engineer Stafford: "12 agreed."
Councilman Waters said, "Okay."
subject that we're
"That's right, it
the gates, the
the motion. Is
the 12 gates at $22,500."
in for the people
that didn't respond,
isn't It, Mr. Engineer?
we
that they
we put in 12 gates and the other
them. They asked us to pay for
up here and we're gonna spend
but you'll
it, Mr.
in a negative way.
get a response from
here tomorrow."
then instead of just
to ten.
talking here.
24
did
right on the end and wouldn't
You can expect ten in here."
your parking some
Mayor Morgan: "This talking about is just clear as mud."
Councilman Cooper: sure is. I'll have to agree with that."
(Laughter.)
Councilman Dalla: "I just want to put this in perspective, you know. It wasn't a
long time ago, we were sitting up here, and Council voted, including the Mayor, to
spend $18,000 to raise the fire station one inch because it looked better. And here
you have some people that —I think Mr. Waters is correct —somehow this got through
and somebody wasn't paying attention, and that subdivision is —is uh—it's a difficult
place to live let alone visit."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "Oh, it's terrible."
Councilman Dalla: "And I don't know what we can do except try and make it a
little bit better. Uh if those people could afford the gates, they could afford to
live somewhere else and um..."
Councilman Cooper: "And you're gonna put 12 of them in and then wait for the
other people to come down and complain about it because they didn't get the 12."
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Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "They were notified."
Mayor Morgan: "Further discussion?"
Councilman Waters: "Let's put it this way. Now the City Engineer informed us all
that registered letters went out. That means that you get it."
Councilman Cooper: "That's right. They all got them."
Councilman Waters: "All right."
Councilman Cooper: "But he also, in that letter, he asked them to pay 50% of it."
City Engineer Stafford: "Not in the first..."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "No, no, he didn't, Marion."
Councilman Cooper: "No?"
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "No."
Councilman Waters: "Honestly."
City Engineer Stafford: "Not in the first letter. The first letter was just asking
if they wanted a gate."
Councilman Cooper: "They wanted a gate?"
City Engineer Stafford: "Yeah, 12 yesses.
pay for it."
Mayor Morgan: "Further discussion? Vote on the motion please." (Laughter.)
Councilman Waters: "This is to put the 12 gates as reqeusted."
Councilman Cooper: "No way. Good luck, fellas."
Carried, by the following vote, to —wit: Ayes: Dalla, VanDeventer, Waters. Nays:
Cooper, Morgan.
Councilman Cooper:
Councilman Waters:
Councilman Cooper:
Councilman Waters:
The next letter asked
"When they come back..."
"You're the one they're gonna come to, Coop."
"Not me."
"You voted against them."
MAYOR
Mayor Morgan: "Next order of business and I don't have anything."
if you want to
CITY COUNCIL
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "Yes, under City Council, uh Mr. uh Public Works
Director, 1 don't know what we're paving with right now, but it looks terrible. The
paving is not smooth, our asphalting, now what we're really doing out there.
Relating to "L" St. on 18th St. to Palm Ave., there's chuck holes in that thing that
are pretty close to 2' in width. Have you had any correspondence relating to that
in your office."
Public Works Director Williams: "I don't recall any.."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "It's on, it's on the north lane."
Mr. Williams: "It could very well have been there and I wasn't aware of it."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "I'd like you to look at this "D" Ave. where they've
patched, where they've came down from uh 12th St. down through the valley right
here. You go, you go through it and see what kind of patch job do you think that
is."
Mr. Williams: "That's a relatively poor patch job."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "But they're all looking like that all over the City."
Mr. Williams: "All right sir, I'll look into it. We're getting some rather uh, it
would appear to be on the surface of it, low quality patchwork on 8th right now,
and what we're doing up there is absolutely a skin patch to try to make it
reasonable for the kids to walk on for Maytime. So that's, that's really not a good
example of the quality that we can do. But we do have some problems and I know
the one on "D" St. of which you speak, and I have mentioned that to my people
and that will be corrected. The "L" Ave., 18th to Palm, I, 1'1l be honest with you,
I don't know about that, but I will tomorrow morning."
Mayor Morgan: "Anyone else?"
Councilman Waters: "Yes, I have one item. You know we have a uh, this4 the
Council set up a budget here a few years ago in relations to where we buy roughly
$5,000 worth of paint and so, and we uh send it out to the Boys' Club and to the
uh different organizations, Chamber of Commerce to take care of our, our graffiti
problems in the City. I've noticed they've picked up extensively. But really, what
really got my attention was uh the fact that I, that we have some type of graffiti
crew in this City. I, I just would like to have that, Mr. City Manager, that
organization checked out. Uh, the 'Graffiti Crew.' I'd like to know what that
really stands for."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "Are you talking about the ones that remove the
graffini?"
Councilman Waters: "No, I'm talking about..."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "The ones that put it on?"
Councilman Waters: "The ones that's putting it on, they call themselves some type
of an organization, and uh I would like to uh, to uh instruct the City Manager to
look into that and maybe put an undercover police officer in that, in amongst that
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organization. If it does exist."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "George, what, one other problem that we're in real dire
need of help on is we were using National University, that high school group that
was doing the paint —off, and uh they're no longer in existence out there, and our
graffini, getting it removed, we have not been doing that for months. And that's
why our graffini is piling up all over the town."
Councilman Waters: "But I mean it's, it's ah, it's getting serious, and we're gonna
have to get hot on it and I think it's time to hand out some healthy fines. I don't
think anyone has the right to deface other peoples properties unless they want it
done. And 1 think we ought we make some good examples, uh I think we're pussy
footing around with that, so to speak. For years we've been doing it."
Mayor Morgan: "Are you through George?"
Councilman Waters: "Yeah."
Mayor Morgan: "Anyone else?"
Councilman DaIIa: "Yes, 1 just have. We got a couple of letters this week that
raised some questions about the Councils conduct and the staff's conduct and I'd
like the Manager to prefer, refer to those and check it out and report back."
Councilman Cooper: "Mr. Mayor?"
Mayor Morgan: "Give me a copy of those."
Councilman Cooper: "Uh, I would like to uh bring this out and ask the City
Attorney uh, the Council has been approached by Representative Jim Bates to meet
with him Saturday morning at jimmy's Restaurant, uh, I believe at 8:30 in the
morning, and I'd like to ask the question if this is legal or if it's uh possible for us
to do this, or how many of the Council want to attend or what."
City Attorney Eiser: "Uh, Your Honor, the potential legal problem that would be
involved would be a violation of the uh Ralph M. Brown Act, the open meeting
law. Uh there would be no problem if there's Tess than a quorum attending, uh
two members. I was going to say the other, I think the proper way of handling it
would be to treat it as a, unless it's some type of a social gathering where the
Brown Act problem doesn't occur, would be to treat it as a special meeting, uh to
have an agenda, to adhere to the agenda, and to ask that the Clerk provide notice
of this as a special meeting."
Mayor Morgan: "Could the Vice Mayor..."
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "No." (Laughter.)
Mayor Morgan: "Could Mr. Cooper represent me there?"
Councilman Cooper: "Who all's going?"
Vice Mayor VanDeventer: "Well if we're just minimum of two, Mr. Dalla and you.."
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ouncilman Cooper: "I'll represent you. I'll go with Mr. Dalla and we won't have
a quorum."
Councilman Waters: "Will you tell him that I have 18 holes of golf scheduled and I
can't make it."
Councilman Cooper: "I sure will. Well, that took care of that anyway."
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Da11a, seconded by Waters, the meeting be adjourned. Carried by
unanimous vote. The meeting closed at 9:28 p.m.
CITY CLERik
The foregoing minutes were approved at the regular meeting of April 1, 1986.
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