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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1977 11-22 CC MINMINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, CALIFORNIA NOVEMBER 22, 1977 The regular meeting of the City Council of the City of National City was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Mayor Morgan. ROLL CALL Council members present: Camacho, Dalla, Reid, Van Deventer, Morgan. Absent: None. Administrative officials present: Campbell, Gunnarson Gill, Hoffland, McCabe, McLean. SALUTE TO THE FLAG AND INVOCATION The meeting was opened with salute to the flag led by City Manager Gill followed with invocation by the Rev. Robert Davis, First United Methodist Church, PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS City Clerk Campbell read the Mayor's proposed proclamation "FAMILY UNITY WEEK," November 20-26, 1977. Moved by Reid, seconded by Camacho, the proclamation be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Mayor Morgan presented the proclamation to Mr. Clovis Hill. MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS Mayor Morgan proposed the appointment of Jess Van Deventer to fill the unexpired term of Ralph Pinson as Vice Mayor. Moved by Camacho, seconded by Reid, in favor of the Mayor's recommendation. Carried, by the following vote, to -wit: Ayes: Camacho, Dalla, Reid, Morgan. Nays: None. Abstain: Van Deventer. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS SGT. FRANK CHENELLE, N.C.P.D., was present and gave Council a proposed "display" law for consideration; the intent is to propose a good, enforceable "display" law to take pornographic materials out of the public view, to protect children from abusive sex in public places and give to adults the right not to see abusive sex.; the law restores these rights without exercising censorship.and without infringing upon adults right to read. Sgt. Chenelle stated a law similar to this was upheld in Superior Court and it is rooted to a Supreme Court decision; there are provisions in the proposed law for the crime to be called either a felony or misdemeanor; the sole intent of the law is to force pornographic magazines off the open shelves and put them behind the counter; this does not deal with the adult porno shops which presumably are not accessible to minors, it only deals with business establishments frequented by minors. Moved by Morgan, seconded by Van Deventer, we instruct staff to bring an Ordinance in that will deal with this within 30 days. Carried by unanimous vote. PAUL MARSHALL, 3026 E. 19th Street, was present and spoke regarding the proposed 1911t Act Improvement on 19th Street between Rachael and Granger; saying he brought in a petition the first of the year signed by over 60% of the property owners; he was informed that three of the property owners have petitioned to have their names removed from the list; since that time he contacted four property owners whose names are not on the list and had them sign, he will pick up another signature and will turn these names over to the City Clerk by Monday of next week. ALFRED HLAWATSCH, attorney at law, 905 E. 13th Street, was present in regard to the new Business License Ordinance. Mr. Hlawatsch said under this Ordinance he will become a criminal, he will be subject to imprisonment or he will have to violate the ethics of his profession 11/22/77 and reveal his clients' affairs, there are other defects but this is what strikes him most. Mr. Hlawatsch stated that under taxes on gross receipts, the definitions are quite clear that it means anything and everything that he takes in, including money taken in on behalf of clients estates, whatever, and he must declare all that as income unless he gives the name and exact amount of each of those people from who he collects the money, some people don't care if people know about their personal business affairs, but most of them do. Mr. Hlawatsch said this Ordinance will make it extremely difficult for any attorney to practice ethically in this town and comply with the rules; anyone who violates any provision of this ordinance, according to Article 19, is guilty of a misdemeanor. Mr. Hlawatsch stated ethically, he feels that he has to declare that he will withdraw his business license and operate in an unlicensed status and let the City prosecute him rather than be forced to lie to the City or sign a statement under penalty of perjury, which by definition, is not going to be true; the City has put him in a bind and he believes his choice is very clear; he doubts if any new attorneys will come into town if this type of law is on the books. Mr. Hlawatsch stated his clients were concerned over the ordinance allowing city officials to inspect any and all books, including private income tax returns of any person in the city who applies for a business license, and failure to divulge this information results in their being prosecutable for a misdemeanor and the treasurer "shall file charges" which makes it mandatory; the one good feature about the ordinance is the minimum of $20.00 for anybody starting business; what is being set up is a potential for another internal revenue department or another state investigative agency. Mr. Hlawatsch urged Council to look at the ordinance again and perhaps reconsider a flat rate. Moved by Morgan, seconded by Reid, the Ordinance be rescinded for this year and staff be instructed to come back before another year with an ordinance that will be within the realm of what we sit here for. There was discussion. City Attorne, McLean stated he would look at the ordinance again to see if any of the problems raised by Mr. Hlawatsch were there and could be straightened out. ROBERT DAILY, 815 Ethel Place, was present and stated he has a business at 2700 National Avenue and was on the task force that studied this ordinance; there were only two meetings that he knows of; they didn't get very far into t; there was no benefit of input and he, like most of the rest of the business people in town, forgot about it because the Chamber was supposed to be working on it and a lot of things have happened to the Chamber; the people he spoke to are alarmed and he believes the City is going to find they have opened a can of worms. There was further discussion. Motion to rescind ordinance failed, by the following vote, to -wit: Ayes: Reid, Morgan. Nays: Camacho, Dalla, Van Deventer. Moved by Van Deventer, seconded by Camacho, I would like to amend the ordinance we have on file to state that the maximum of $10,000,000.00, rate ceiling on $10,000?000.00, and maximum income to the City of $150,000 and if we exceed that we will reduce the business license in the following year. There was discussion. Motion carried, by the following vote, to -wit: Ayes: Camacho, Dalla, Van Deventer. Nays: Morgan. Abstain: Reid. The Mayor requested the City Manager to check to see who prepared the ordinance and all things pertaining to it. PUBLIC HEARINGS The HEARING on three proposed amendments to the General Plan (GP-3-77; [1] to change from "Residential 11-15 Dwelling Units Per Acre" to "Neighborhood Commercial" the property at 711 Palm Avenue; [2] to change from "Neighborhood Commercial" to "Residential", density to be determined, including the option of Seniors Housing, Density Unspecified the property at 3208 East 8th Street; and, [3] to modify the "Compatibility Matrix" to provide for the compatibility of single family zoning with all residential density categories with the addition of PUD combining zone. The Planning Commission recommended: (1) Approval; (2) Approval of General Plan change to "Seniors Housing, Density Unspecified"; (3) Approval) was held at this time. Asst. Plan. Dir. Gunnarson suggested that these items be considered. 11/22/77 m4- individually. No one was present in this regard. Moved by Van Deventer, seconded by Dalla, in favor of the Planning Commission's recommendation and the public hearing on item 1 be closed. Carried by unanimous vote. Asst. Plan. Dir. Gunnerson stated the second item has to do with the Fritz property which is a through parcel between 8th Street and Plaza Blvd., east of the shopping center on Harbison Avenue; there is an existing single family house on the property at 3208 E. 8th Street; the applicants in this case are asking that the General Plan be amended on that property to change from the present designation of "Commercial" to a designation of "Residential Seniors Citizens Housing" density unspecified; the Planning Commission recommended in favor of this designation. BERNIE SPECTOR, 6208 Jackson Drive, San Diego, was present representing the proponents in this case. Mr. Spector said they are interested in developing the property for Senior Citizens; they are proposing a development that would consist of apartments and residential -share units; the exact number to be determined at a later date; the purpose of this hearing is to deal with the matter of the proposed use of the parcel for a senior citizens development of some sort. Mr. Spector stated his group has gone through a lengthy process of getting in -put into their program; they started several months ago with senior citizens groups who suggested types of units andtypes of facilities, recreational, concern with security and a number of other aspects. Mr. Spector displayed drawings of three concept plans showing the living units as well as the overall area. Mr. Spector stated they have plans for economy -sized apartments approximately 550 square feet for a one - bedroom and approximately 736 square feet in the two -bedroom; the apartments have been developed by their architect as particularly desirable for senior citizens; the bedroom size is almost the same size as the living room area with adequate storage space; the bathrooms in the units are designed for a wheel chair to turn around fully; each unit will either have a balcony or a patio; the issue of whether or not these units will be two-story or three-story will be determined at a later date; there is concern of the property owners on Olive Avenue as to the height limit, but that can be resolved. Mr. Spector stated they would work on supplying total security for the buildings for the seniors; they have been able to respond to the needs of the seniors in the City with the proposed development of this property; he has met with most of the property owners on Olive Avenue and as a result a meeting was called and they were brought together by the Community Action Council and they have agreed to endorse the concept of the senior citizens development. There was discussion. ANN PIETLA, 818 Olive Avenue, was present and stated she did meet with Mr. Spector and the only thing they agreed on was it would be nice to have a senior citizens facility of some type; as far as apartments, never, she did not want two or three stories behind her house; she has lived there 20 years and has a backyard she likes to go out in. Mrs. Pietla stated she is not speaking for all of Olive Avenue; a few possibly, but not all of them. LEWIS EAST, 3016 E. 9th Street, was present and stated the Fritz property is directly across the street from him and there are problems in the area already and he is dead set against more apartments going into the area; the west side of this street is full, there's a school there to consider and there are apartments behind him; there's nothing but problems with that apartment back there; there are problems with the Plaza Highrise; they have to live in the area and he knows what he is talking about; he would like some consideration given to the people on the west side of Harbison. FRANK CHENELLE, 3025 Plaza Blvd., was present and stated that the people in his area should have been considered when plans were made for this development; there is a seven -story building on one side of him and now they want to put in two -three stories on the other side which will encase him; if they are considering senior citizens, Plaza Blvd. and 8th Street are the two worst streets in the City to consider; 11/22/77 -294 4/ there is plenty of noise there already, too much noise for senior citizens; another factor to consider, if you can only allow a 62 year old to be in the apartment, you'll have one 62 year old in and six or seven juveniles or even young adults and you're increasing the police problem; there are a lot of things that aren't being answered here, Mr. Spector is being vague and he did not think Council should approve something without looking into it wholeheartedly and this includes noise, there are two schools that feed into that area and he didn't like the idea of two -stories on one side of him. There was further discussion. Moved by Reid, seconded by Camacho, the hearing be closed and continued to the next General Plan Amendment in February 1978. Motion carried, by the following vote, to -wit: Ayes: Camacho, Reid, Van Deventer. Nays: Dalla, Morgan. Asst. Planning Dir. Gunnarson stated item 3, the "Compatibility Matrix" (a chart that relates the zoning ordinance to the General Plan) and the recommendatio is that Council add some language to the chart that would allow the City to make some different combinations of zoning for a given General Plan designation; it provides for projects such as 24th Street where the Council combined PUD zoning and single family zoning to the density of 20; the City doesn't have that provision on their chart now and this change will add that. No one was present in this regard. Moved by Dalla, seconded by Van Deventer, the public hearing be closed and the Planning Commission's recommendation be approved. Carried by unanimous vote. ADOPTION OF RESOLUTIONS Moved by Camacho, seconded by Reid, these Resolutions be presented to Council by title only. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,537, "RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL. CITY CONCURRING IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN." Moved by Camacho, seconded by Van Deventer, Resolution No. 12,537 be adopted. Councilman Reid introduced Mr. Clarence Kaufman, Solid Waste Program Manager, County of San Diego, who gave a brief report on the program and of the tour made by members of systems that are in operation in other parts of the country; it is hoped they will be able to institute processes of the types seen in the area in the near future. Councilman Reid stated the tour took in five cities, Chicago, Milwaukee and others that had a plant that recycles practically everything; he hopes the City of National City will support a project that would provide for a clean -air plant for the City. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,538, "Appveying empleyment agEeement between the Gity e Watienal Gity and its Gity ManageN." Moved by Camacho, this Resolution be held over to the end of the meeting. The Mayor said there would be an executive session. Resolution No. 12,539, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING CONVEYANCE OF REAL PROPERTY (Easement Melrose Drain, Phase 2 Project - Emil V. Suguitan and Aline Suguitan)." Moved by Reid, seconded by Camacho, Resolution No. 12,539 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,540, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING CONVEYANCE OF REAL PROPERT (Easement Melrose Drain, Phase 2 Project - Arthur C. Huhn and Marie Huhn)." Moved by Reid, seconded by Van Deventer, Resolution No. 12,540 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,541, "RESOLUTION DENYING AN APPLICATION FOR ZONE VARIANCE TO ALLOW A NONCONFORMING WALL SIGN THAT DOES NOT FACE A STREET TO BE CONTINUED AND MAINTAINED ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 539 HIGHLAND AVENUE." Moved by Reid, seconded by Dalla, Resolution No. 12,541 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. 11/22/77 Resolution No. 12,542, "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, CALIFORNIA, ADOPTING REGULATIONS FOR CANDIDATES FOR ELECTIVE OFFICE, PERTAINING TO MATERIALS SUBMITTED TO THE ELECT- ORATE AND THE COSTS THEREOF." Moved by Reid, seconded by Van Deventer, Resolution No. 12,542 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,543, "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY REQUESTING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO TO PERMIT THE REGISTRAR OF VOTERS OF SAID COUNTY TO RENDER SPECIFIED SERVICES TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY RELATING TO THE CONDUCT OF A GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID CITY ON MARCH 7, 1978." Moved by Camacho, seconded by Reid, Resolution No. 12,543 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,544, "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, CALIFORNIA, CALLING AND GIVING NOTICE OF THE HOLDING OF A GENERAL MUNICIPAL, ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID CITY ON TUESDAY, THE 7TH DAY OF MARCH, 1978, FOR THE ELECTION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS OF SAID CITY AS REQUIRED BY THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA RELATING TO GENERAL LAW CITIES." Moved by Camacho, seconded by Reid, Resolution No. 12,544 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,545, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING COVENANT RUNNING WITH THE LAND AND DIRECTING THE RECORDING THEREOF (Mabel Grace Addison 2714 E. l6th St.)." Moved by Reid, seconded by Van Deventer, Resolutiol No. 12,545 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,546, "Appseving a pvepesed ax eicatien et to*EiteEy to the Gity e€ Natieaal G My desigeate4 "F" Avenue Ree*ganieatiee". Resolution removed from the Agenda. Resolution No. 12,547, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING COVENANT RUNNING WITH THE LAND AND DIRECTING THE RECORDING THEREOF (Dana Kuhn & Ralph Goffin 2725 "C" Avenue.)." Moved by Reid, seconded by Van Deventer, Resolution No. 12,,547 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,548, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING WORK AND AUTHORIZING FILING NOTICE OF COMPLETION (Sewer Reconstruction Project #2, Spec. #807)." Moved by Reid, seconded by Dalla, Resolution No. 12,548 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,549, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING WORK AND AUTHORIZING FILING OF NOTICE OF COMPLETION (Plaza Boulevard Pedestrian Activated Traffic Signal, Spec. No. 860)." Moved by Van Deventer, seconded by Reid, Resolution No. 12,549 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. Resolution No. 12,550, "RESOLUTION ACCEPTING WORK AND AUTHORIZING FILING OF NOTICE OF COMPLETION (Reconstruction of Euclid Avenue, Spec. No. 865)." Moved by Reid, seconded by Van Deventer, Resolution No. 12,550 be adopted. Carried by unanimous vote. ORDINANCES FOR INTRODUCTION (first reading) Ordinance No. 11/22/77-1, "An ordinance pursuant to the Land Use Code (ZC-19-77, to rezone property at 1107 "B" Avenue from CBD-RD to RM-1 - PD-RD--D40) . " OLD BUSINESS The Director of Public Works' report on red curbing on north side of Plaza Blvd. between National Avenue and "B" Avenue (At Council meeting 11/22/77 294 6 of November 8, Mr, Jim Sothras, property owner at the northeast corner of Plaza Blvd. and National Avenue, requested the parking prohibition be removed along Plaza Blvd. between National Avenue and "B" westbound; three sketches were presented showing alternate traffic striping schemes for Plaza between National and "B": [1] showing the existing striping [recently a westbound lane was added between "B" and National, of four adjacent property owners, two property owners opposed this action and two owners did not oppose]; [2] showing a short left turn lane at Plaza Blvd„ and National [westbound] and restores 8 parking spaces; [3] shows a right -turn only lane [westbound] at "A", this plan would restore about 8 parking spaces. It is staff's recommenda- tion that this be referred to the Traffic Safety Committee) was presented. Moved by Camacho, seconded by Van Deventer, in favor of staff's recommendation. Carried by unanimous vote. NEW BUSINESS The City Treasurer/Finance Director's request for ratification of WARRANT REGISTER NO. 18, dated November 22, 1977, in the amount of $267,648.53 (Warrants Nos. 60007 through 60083) was presented. Moved by Camacho, seconded by Reid, this be approved, Carried, by the following vote,,to-wit: Ayes: Camacho, Dalla, Reid, Van Deventer, Morgan. Nays: None. A CLAIM FOR DAMAGES from DON L. JENSEN alleging a sprained ankle received September 4, 1977 at the South Bay Fair was presented. Moved by Camacho, seconded by Reid, this be denied and referred to the City Attorney, Carried by unanimous vote-. A PETITION for 1911 ACT PROCEEDINGS, "C" Avenue southerly of 27th Street to end (grading, curbs and gutter and paving, and right-of-way) was presented. Moved by Reid, seconded by Van Deventer, the 1911 Act petition be approved. Carried by unanimous vote. The Director of Public Works' recommendation to approve DEFERRAL of STREET IMPROVEMENTS on Harbison Avenue adjacent to property at 2105-2 Van Ness Street (Gregorio) (The property owners are required under Ord. 1491 to improve portions of Harbison Avenue adjacent to their property line; Harbison Avenue is partly dedicated and unimproved; improvement would best be accomplished under a 1911 Act and the property owner has offered to sign a Covenant not to protest a 1911 Act) was presented. Moved by Reid, seconded by Camacho, in favor of the recommendation. Carried by unanimous vote. The City Clerk's report on opening of sealed bids, Kimball Park Turf Area, Tot Lot and Animal Shelter (on November 16 bids were opened, those received were [1] Callahan Bros., base bid, $247,494,00, total including deductible and add -on alternatives, $331,371,00; 12] T.B. Penick & Sons, base bid, $195,782.00, total including deductible and add -on alternatives, $291,508.00) was presented. Asst. to the City Manager Ballard reported the City's efforts in securing more favorable bids by rebidding on this project were not successful; in the meantime, the City has secured an additional $30,000 in grant funds for the project under the State Urban !Open Space and Recreation Program; thus the total grant funds available for the project is $170,000 (plus $20,000 local match); both the architect and the City are of the opinion that the bid prices are excessive; staff would like to explore alternate methods of constructing this project within the funds available; such alternate methods may include the City assuming the role of general contractor and sub -contracting individual units of work; bids may be held up to 30 days for such examination; Staff recommends Council not award or reject bids at this time and refer to staff to explore other alternatives. Moved by Camacho, seconded by Reid, this be referred back to the City Manager as to what can be done as fax as contracting this thine r.,oes. Carried by unanimous vote. 11/22/77 Asst. to the City Manager Ballard's report on lease or sale of City Real Property, McKinely Avenue south of 23rd, Coastal Rigging (At the meeting of November 8, the Council referred a letter from Coastal d Rigging Company to staff for report and recommendation; the letter requested Council consider leasing the property to them; certain questions regarding title to the property have been resolved and the property is owned by the City and can be sold or leased as appropriate. Staff recommends that disposal of the property be by lease rather than sale due to the uncertainty of I-5 widening from 24th Street to "E" Street in Chula Vista; such widening may require partial relocation of the southbound 24th Street off -ramp. There are three basic alternatives open to Council regarding the disposition of this property which are: [I] grant staff the authority to negotiate exclusively with Coastal Rigging for lease [Coastal Rigging initiated this matter originally ; this method of disposal has been reviewed with the City Attorney; 2] direct staff to solicit other proposals from potential interested users of the propea: ty; [3] not sell or lease the property. Staff recommends Council select option 1 or 2 establishing policy preference in the case and, if option 1 or 2 is selected, direct staff to: a, initiate vacation of westerly one-half of McKinley Avenue between 23rd and 24th Streets, b, negotiate a lease subject to subsequent Council approval. PAUL DAVID, Coastal Rigging, 2300 Cleveland Avenue, was present and stated he would rather buy the property than lease it; they have invested time and money in getting this matter to this point and would appreciate anything Council could do. Moved by Morgan, seconded by Van Deventer, this be referred back to staff. City Manager Gill stated the vaction of the westerly one-hai: of McKinley Avenue should be part of the motion. Carried by unanimous vote. Moved by Dalla, seconded by Van Deventer, we instruct staff to initiate appropriate vacation proceedings for that appropriate portion of McKinley Avenue. Carried, by the following vote, to -wit: Ayes: Camacho, Dalla, Van Deventer, Morgan. Nays: None. Abstain: Reid. SOUTHWEST MARINE INC.'S request to locate two PORTABLE OFFICE BUILDINGS at 1300 Wilson Street for a period not to exceed one year (Southwest Marine has recently acquired property at 1300 Wilson; the existing building is being used for a new construction project for fourteen Navy work boats; in addition, to the existing building another two portable construction shacks will be necessary for project offices, these buildings are presently located at the foot of "G" Street in Chula Vista. Staff recommends approval subject to [1] maximum time limit of two months; [2] approved electric connection to existing facilities; [3] provide facilities for the physically handicapped) was presented. Moved by Reid, seconded by Camacho, this be approved. Carried by unanimous vote. OTHER BUSINESS CITY MANAGER - No report. CITY ATTORNEY - No report. OTHER STAFF - No report. MAYOR Mayor Morgan requested City Manager Gill check into what might happen if the road through the park were opened at one end to accommodate seniors and tiny tots. City Manager Gill stated there is Council action to close both ends of the park road and it would take further action to change it. Moved by Morgan, seconded by Van Deventer, Manager study this and bring back a recommendation on whether he thought it would work to open one end of the park. Carried, by the following vote, to -wit: Ayes: Camacho, Van Deventer, Morgan. Nays: Dalla, Reid. Moved by Morgan, seconded by Camacho, staff come up with recommendations on how to handle litter. Carried by unanimous vote. City Attorney McLean stated the City does have some trash laws. 11/22/77 Mayor Morgan spoke of the authorization given to the City Manager to send out notices to all citizens advising them of the new FIRE DEPARTMENT EMERGENCY SERVICES and said before money is spent on mailing, he would like to see emergency services back where they were before it had been changed. Moved by Morgan, seconded by Reid, we put the Fire Department back as it was before the City Manager ordered it changed. In answer to a question as to the results of this change, City Manager Gill stated there was an initial period of some concern; it is functioning now and there is some summary data available regarding calls received; however, it is far to early to tell the success or failure of the program at this time; the Chief of Police and Fire Chief have expressed no real concern on the program. Mayor Morgan stated the sending of notices to the citizens is going to cost quite a bit of money; the citizens are going to be confused by the letter and he wanted to make sure Council wanted to send the letter out. TED BRADT, 3133 East Second Street, was present and reported on a study he made of the calls received from the Police and Fire Departments to his company (Aaron Ambulance) January 1977 through October. Mr. Bradt stated he is not suggesting which Department should respond but thought Council should be aware of these statistics. Motion to change back to police response failed, by the following vote, to -wit: Ayes: Reid, Morgan. Nays: Camacho, Dalia, Van Deventer. Mayor Morgan recommended the proposed Paramedic Program be ,placed on the March ballot to let the people vote on the measure. Moved by Morgan, seconded by Reid this be put on the ballot. Ted Bradt (Aaron Ambulance) was present and stated the City is talking about a lot of dollars and training and a very complicated service; he's not trying to say the City needs it or not, or it should be in his company or the Fire Department; but the people are going to be trained in the same school by the same instructors regardless of who has it. Mayor Morgan stated that he further recommends the City Manager make a study of it. Mr. Bradt asked exactly what is going to be put on the ballot and said other cities have had the measure defeated because of the wording on the ballot; and suggested forming a committee to report to Council on a plan or something to put on the ballot, a definite thing rather than a general thing. Councilman Camacho stated he feels the whole Council should work with the committee and be briefed as to what the costs are to implement the program, paramedic is a tremendous program. Mr. Bradt stated the measures have lost because they were presented as money issues and not as a paramedic issue. Councilman Daila stated if he supports the measure going on the ballot, it will be with the unders anding that the Council is going to make a conscientious, non -partial effort to investigate the program fully: the various ways it can be operated; the various ways it can be financed; and present a clear picture to the voters so they can make an intelligent decision; if we are going to simply put a question on the ballot and leave more questions unanswered, then it will be defeated. Mayor Morgan directed City Manager Gill to investigate these questions and come up with a clear package to present to Council. Councilman Reid insisted on having a cost breakdown because it's the citizens that are going to have to pay for it. City Manager Gill stated he would obtain those figures for Council. TOM BOHLER, 1409 E Avenue, was present and stated during the past few weeks there have been many discussions between Paradise Valley Hospital and groups of people; there have been meetings to see how the hospital felt and what they would like to see for the people and they have specified certain things; Dr. Clark will be sending a letter to the City with the recommendations of Dr. Rose and the hospital; Mr. Bohler stated they are now looking at what principal organizations they want on the street side; they would like to see the Fire Department in the paramedic field; they know the costs. Mayor Morgan stated he didn't want the public to be confused but the hospital is checking on different ways that they can set this up, including them having an ambulance, they would take care of this; they are going to check into this. 11/22f 77 Mr. Bohler stated there is an initiative that will be placed on the March ballot with the required signatures that will be coming up; he diddt know what the costs would be with the City writing up a ballot measure and initiative; the initiative does spell out that the Fire Department will handle it and that all plans will be worked out between the City and the Fire Department and Paradise Valley Hospital. Mr. Bohler stated there are over 500 different paramedic plans in the country today, and about every one is Fire Department oriented. Mr. Bohler stated that with the average income of citizens within the City of $9,000, the citizens cannot afford $2-500 for a run; if the entire City is paying for it as a practical matter, then everybody is taken care of from the elderly to the young person involved in an accident; this needs to be discussed in a very adult manner by those people concerned about the program. Councilman Dalla stated he feels the question that should be put to the voters is do they favor the establishment of this type program and if they can qualify in a reasonable manner the costs to let the public know that; they would be clouding the issue if they brought in who's going to run it, the hospital, the Fire Department, those types of things; these are built- in variables and the public will be put off by them. Mr. Bohler stated that he doesn't feel this is the way to go; it should be noted who will run the program, the costs to the closest figures, the possible grants that are available for paramedic groups; people will not vote on an issue if they don't know who's going to run the show. The motion to place the paramedic program on ballot with City Manager and City Attorney get together to work out wording carried by unanimous vote. Moved by Dalla, seconded by Van Deventer, the motion be amended to read do you favor the establishment of a paramedic program in the City of National City to be financed in whole or in part by sales tax, property tax and other general revenue sources which are available to the City. Motion failed, by the following vote, to -wit: Ayes: Dalla, Van Deventer. Nays: Camacho, Reid, Morgan. Moved by Dalla, seconded by Van Deventer, whatever wording the attorney and manager agree on will come back to this Council before it goes on the ballot. Carried by unanimous vote. Mayor Morgan called an Executive Session for personnel matters at 10:05 p.m. Council reconvened at 10:36 p.m. ROLL CALL Council members present: Camacho, Dalla, Reid, Van Deventer, Morgan. Absent: None. Moved by Reid, seconded by Van Deventer, regarding the contract with the City Manaser, we lay it over until the first meeting in April for further study. Carried by unanimous vote. CITY COUNCIL Councilman Dalla asked City Attorney McLean regarding the development (senior's complex) on the Fritz property, if any change in plans would come back before Council. City Attorney McLean stated it would. Moved by Reid, seconded by Van Deventer, the meeting be closed. Carried by unanimous vote. The meeting cl sed at 10:39 p.m. 14A-- CITY CLE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, CALIFORNIA The foregoing minutes were approved by the City Council of the City of National City, California at the regular meeting of December 6, 1977. n Corrections Er110 ions R CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, CALIFORNIA 11/22/77